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The Fundraiser’s Kiss of Death: Talking Too Much

What’s the kiss of death for every fundraiser?

Don't talk too much: it's the kiss of death!

What can you do to absolutely ensure that you’ve turned your donor off? To be sure the donor never wants to hear from you again?

It’s being boring.

And you are boring when you talk too much.

Talking too much is guaranteed to make your donor’s eyes glaze over.

The last thing you want him to do is to wish you’d leave.

You may think you’re being interesting but he may think you are droning on and on.

Too many nonprofit leaders – CEO’s, development directors and board volunteers alike – all think they need a presentation.

Everybody thinks they need a “pitch.”

You don’t need a pitch: you need to listen.

In the past two weeks I’ve discussed how to develop an engaging elevator speech and then how to use this elevator speech to engage the donor in a conversation.

The point of all this is the conversation. It’s knowing out to bring a donor out.

If you are doing more than 50% of the talking, then you’re dead.

We have a motto in fundraising: Listen Your Way to the Gift.

Listen your way to the gift!

Here’s a real story:

When I was Director of Development for the Kenan-Flagler Business School at UNC-Chapel Hill (go Tar Heels!), I built relationships with many successful alumni.

And I was close to one of our most successful alumni on Wall Street. This gentleman was a multi-million dollar prospect for Carolina. (He eventually signed the billionaire’s Giving Pledge with Buffett and Gates.)

At the time, I was the only fundraiser from Carolina that he was willing to see. That was because I visited quickly and then got out the door.

This guy had a very short attention span. And I knew it.

He could count on me being BRIEF and CHARMING.

He knew I’d never be BORING.

The definition of “charming?” – Letting him do most of the talking.

Then I brought one of the very top university leaders up to New York City to meet Mr. Wall Street.

After we sat down to visit, the university leader started off long-winded.  And he kept talking.

I could see Mr. Wall Street getting a little impatient.  I started getting nervous.

Then the university leader started trying to drop names in front of Mr. Wall Street.

And the names he was mentioning were clearly lower on the totem pole than Wall Street. The people he was talking about were NOT interesting at all to Mr. Street.

See, my Wall Street buddy was hanging out with the wealthiest people in the world. He had a bloody Picasso in his office.

He was a Big Cheese.

And the University official droned on and on. I got more and more nervous.

Things were not going well at all.

What Mr. University should have done was ask Mr. Street his opinion of things at Carolina. He should have sought out some advice and counsel from one of the University’s most prominent alumns.

The best way to be charming is to SHUT UP!

Instead, he talked.  And talked.

If I’d been sitting close to him I would have tried to nudge him under the table. (which I’ve had to do with another college president before!)

Note to self: Never take a nonprofit bigwig out to meet a donor bigwig without establishing ground rules for the meeting first.

Finally, Mr. Street got up and indicated the meeting was over.

When we were at the elevator, he leaned over and whispered in my ear:

“Don’t ever bring that man to see me again.”

Aurrrrgh. Not good.

We had effectively killed any chance for Mr. University to establish a relationship with Mr. Street. So I had to find someone else to get involved here, and leave Mr. University out.

Moral of the story? Listen your way to the gift.

It’s far more important to listen than it is to talk.

Use your elevator speech just to open the door and get the conversation ball rolling.

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  • http://twitter.com/TheCfD CenterforDevelopment

    What a great example and reminder to engage in active listening and a conversation, not a presentation. Never assume that what you have to say is more important or imformed than your potential donors and/or donors. Thanks Gail! As always, you are helpful!

  • Hospice of the Panhandle

    Along with a volunter, about three months ago, I had a two-hour conversation with a donor – 1 hour and 50 minutes, she talked, about 10 minutes, we talked. Some of the conversation was about our project, our organization, our mission. Most of the conversation was about all kinds of other stuff. We ended up getting a $50,000 gift. You are spot on!

  • Anonymous

    Terrific! Isn’t it amazing how the donor loves loves you when SHE gets to do the talking!
     

  • Anonymous

    Yup, we all make that mistake don’t we- that what we have to say is more important than what the donor has to say. And we have it all wrong! 

  • Debra Golinski

    Thank you for sharing this!  Sometimes the excitement of projects tend to make us forget to listen to our donors.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, Debra, it’s so easy to get overly excited in what WE are talking about, isn’t it!

  • http://twitter.com/smallcatbigdog Lisa Estrin-Allison

    An excellent reminder that fundraising is donor-centric. Be brief, be sincere, be seated. ;)

  • Organicallysue

    Gail, your tips are always so useful.  Thank you for sharing them — keep ‘em coming.  Wish you lived on the west coast! Sue

  • Sherry Harris

    Excellent tip — and so true — once you lose someone’s attention, you’re dead in the water!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks Sherry!  Yup, maybe we need to watch more and talk less!

  • Anonymous

    Hi Sue – I’ll be on the west coast in late September! where are you?

  • Anonymous

    Lisa, love that: Be brief, be sincere, be seated. Yup!

  • Dwalker

    loved it!

  • Sandra Burnett, thehcard.com

    You are a wealth of information!  Thanks for sharing….

  • Developmenthr

    Wow, wake up call. I definitely talk too much. I get high marks for passion, which I thought was enough. Thanks for this important re-set of my approach.

  • Lkaspar

    Great tip — I will definitely keep this in mind when approaching donor. 

  • Carol

    Boy was Gail ever taking about me.  I know I need to shut up and listen.  Thanks for the reminder. 

  • Kate

    There’s a great story in a book about fundraising about a guy who flew frequently for business. Whomever he sat next to on the plane he would strike up a conversation with that individual. When later the people were asked about him they always said how interesting and likable he was, that they had really enjoyed speaking with him. When the people were asked various questions about him however, they could not remember a single detail about his job, where he was from, sometimes not even his name. They didn’t actually know anything about him. All he would do is ask great questions and let the other person talk.

    I heard this on my first day fundraising and it has stuck with me as a great illustration of why it is important to to do about 20% or 30% of the talking and leave the rest to your donor. People like what they have to say and if you’re the person facilitating that, they are much more likely to feel warmly towards you and your cause.

  • Anonymous

    Hi, my favorite fundraising motto is “when in doubt, shut up!” : )

  • Anonymous

    Thanks Sandra! Love your “Hcard” – everybody – you all check it out!

  • Anonymous

    Hi, passion plus drawing out the other person is the winning combination.

  • Anonymous

    Kate, I heard a version of this story years ago and it stuck with me too. You just can’t go wrong if you get the other person talking!

  • http://www.pamelagrow.com Pamela Grow

    Such a wonderful story Gail – and a fabulous reminder of the wisdom of Dale Carnegie as well.  I’ve had similar experiences, both in sales and in fundraising.  When you understand the power of LISTENING people think that you’re the greatest conversationalist in the world!

  • Anonymous

    Good lesson.  I’ve learn that one the hard way.  It works with any type of relationship. 

  • Anonymous

    Hi, you are so insightful! yes, this rule applies everywhere!

  • Anonymous

    Yup Pamela, it’s so important to listen but so hard to do sometimes isn’t it!

  • Jnewman

    So Gail, did you end up getting a gift?

  • Anonymous

    Hey! I did, eventually, but I had to get over that big hump first! : )

  • annieeveleigh

    A wonderful hint.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Dawn.Marie.Robinson Dawn Marie Robinson

    Loved this – Here’s a favorite line we use from one of my colleagues – God gave us two ears and one mouth – use them in proportion!

  • http://twitter.com/mcahalane Mary Cahalane

    I’ve never felt particularly skilled at small talk. So I love this from a slightly different perspective: doing the right thing – focusing on your conversation-mate, not yourself – is also much easier than trying to be entertaining. There’s always someone at any event, dying for someone else to come stand with them, and ask them about themselves. People love the idea that someone else is willing to simply listen (really listen though, not pretend). And as the airplane illustration shows, the more interested you are in them, the more interesting they are – and the more interesting they’re likely to judge you!

    It’s really, really true: it’s not all about you!

    Thanks for a great post, Gail!

  • Anonymous

     Hi Mary, you really nailed it “It’s really really true: it’s not all about you!”  Looks like a great tweet, if you ask me! : )

  • Jason_bouck

    Excellent advice! Thanks Gail.

  • http://www.ceffect.com Gayle L. Gifford

    Gail, You are so right on. Luckily, I was close enough to nudge Mr. Talker and ask a question that led to the start of a beautiful donor relationship. Though not quite at the level of your Mr. Wall Street. But the advice applies no matter how small or big your donor. You can read that story here: http://bit.ly/gS0KUB

  • Anonymous

    Thanks Gayle, it’s an adventure when you bring two bigwigs  together, isn’t it? Like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates: You never know what you’ll get!  Glad you were able to interrupt your ow talker!

  • Andy Robinson

    Spot on, Gail, as usual

    Suggestion: prepare questions in advance and bring them along. The best way to get someone talking is to ask questions. Don’t come on too strong — this is a conversation, not an interrogation — but if you do this well, you can frame the conversation in a way that will help you learn what your prospect cares about and how that links with your mission.

  • Janet

    Gail, this was a wonderful reminder to listen more and talk less!
    Thanks for sharing and glad to know you are tarheel blue as well!

  • Anonymous

    Hi Janet! GO HEELS! : )  

  • Anonymous

    Thanks Andy, great comment – it’s so nice to have the questions prepared ahead of time.  I probably fell down by not prepping my bigwig more thoroughly!

  • http://twitter.com/ChristinaSkuce Christina Skuce

    Great reminder Gail on the importance of listening to and understanding the prospect’s side of the relationship!

  • Mary Hamel

    Thanks Gail, this year I have agreed to be an alumni co-chair for the annual fund at my small private alma mater.  This article is very helpful for a novice at fundraising.